Curse

pumpkin pie · Jan 30, 2010, 12:12 PM // 12:12

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Originally Posted by tlee

For example, Gold buyers...

ANET should set up a bogus website advertising to sell GW gold and when players buy it and once delivered, BANNED!

Or would this cause a nice law suit on behalf of ANET?

If they can't do this then how would the GMs even catch gold buyers? Sometimes I wonder how some people have over 500k gold. I work hella hard and after a few upgrades, my gold is done!

500k is easy lah

i have way more than that once upon a time. now I sell and use everything. Lesson to Anet, keep your customer's account safe and they just might buy storage pane from you!

now storage is useless because I am using the "empty city" tactic. nothing good in my storage to steal

on topic:

Can't Arena Net trace where our gold and items go? Suppose they can, they don't have to entrap anyone at all, just trace the money from hacked accounts and see where they go and catche the culprit?

Sethellington · Jan 30, 2010, 01:37 PM // 13:37

that's entrapment and really not a very good idea, but i see where you're coming from. it is frustrating that people can just go and buy whatever they like. seems there's no easy fix though.

Lycan Nibbler · Jan 30, 2010, 03:43 PM // 15:43

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

Can't Arena Net trace where our gold and items go? Suppose they can, they don't have to entrap anyone at all, just trace the money from hacked accounts and see where they go and catche the culprit?

They have said in the past that they can (see duping) as they said theyd caught all the dupers (which I dont believe they did) but then on the other hand, they say they cant return items that have been ransacked from a stolen account.

My best guess is that they probably could, but the resources involved to do it makes it not viable.

Dave83 · Jan 30, 2010, 04:28 PM // 16:28

First post in nearly 3 years =D

Basically, there should be some international law set. Only the crooks profit from all this gold selling. It ruins in game econamy, spoils it for alot of people getting their accounts hacked. It can't be good for those chinease kids so far as learning morals go and education if they are on the net all day etc. I don't understand the farce, all they need to do is get them on selling virtual goods / not a physical property.

karlik · Jan 30, 2010, 06:09 PM // 18:09

People are gonna buy gold, and that means people are gonna sell it.

I still say the best solution is make it legal and anet just sells gold for less than any rmt could afford.

dr love · Jan 30, 2010, 06:40 PM // 18:40

while we're on the topic, does anyone care that 1000s of tonics are being botted every minute? because if nobody does, i'll be happy to bot this whole week and make a few 10000 tonics. i think together we can make it so every character in the game has max party animal. i will also bot myself a polar bear. i always wanted one of those.

Jensy · Jan 30, 2010, 06:44 PM // 18:44

Many, many people have / had over 500k just by playing the game. As stated, good drops can get you more ecto than you'll ever need sometimes. When the XTH, loads of people had more money than they knew what to do with, if they sold their zkeys.

I don't believe something like this will work. I know that people DO buy gold, don't get me wrong, I just think that both this approach, and the belief that everyone with more gold than you buys it, are incorrect.

TheRemedy · Jan 30, 2010, 06:51 PM // 18:51

Who cares about the gold sellers and buyers, the game is too old and people could just start giving their stuff away for all I care, it won't affect the messed up economy it is beyond repair. This issue is only known because Anet blames them for hacking peoples accounts. I would like to see proof of this, I haven't been "hacked" (knock on wood), and I've played MMO's since 1997. I haven't ever bought gold, chose good passwords and have used common sense. Unless you are buying gold you shouldn't have much to worry about. If Anet put as much effort into stopping bots as they do trying to delete gold from people the game would be much better. The reason why they don't is the whole intellectual property issue. They don't want other people making money from "their" game, hence the EULA bs.

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Originally Posted by dr love

and in pve.

a large reason gold sellers prevail is because they can bot the ship out of this game with little risk and good payoff. there are also people with pretty much unlimited funds, i.e. just having an unded kanaxai, though i don't think they'd be the type to cash it all in.

to the OP, if you're still in the stage where you have to pay for your new skills, max armor etc, it will be a while yet before you start amassing gold.

also i never understood why they didn't use this aggressively. i can buy gold right now and have it in 24hrs. its all on google first page. the only thing i could consider is, that the gold sellers isolate each botting account. they never trade with their other accounts. so all they have to do is amass 100k+ on their $5 proph only account and sell it. if that account gets banned, so what, they made $50 from $5. they probably have bots to get them from pre searing to wherever they need in a few hours. but anet could trace some IPs and get an idea of who's who.

but really what they should've done is mitigate pve bot/lamer activity right from the start. bots succeed in repetitive, easily farmed areas. so either there should be pathetic/no rewards from some of these, some should be removed from the game, some should more aggressively temp banned (dishonorable status is nothing). let me list some for you

1. snowball dominance (repeatable! with amazing rewards, possibly the best consistent farm in the game)
2. raptors (hi right outside town)
3. farming aatxe in uw chamber (easy to do with spirit spammer)
4. zaishen elite (used to work amazing with heroes)
5. JQ/FA/AB afk
6. luxon afk
7. trolls (like raptors)
8. bergen hot springs
9. that halloween skeleton capture quest
10. polar bear quest
11. snowball/RA afk
12. repeatable factions quests
the list goes on.

these bots all exist and the programmers were so nice that most can be downloaded easily and freely.

i don't play WoW, but as far as i know, the only things worth a damn are high end items from raids. you can't bot raids.

I wish the bots would stop, go to RA, you encounter so many bots, I can't imagine the farm bots, I don't understand why it is so tough to detect and ban this crap?

tlee · Jan 30, 2010, 07:24 PM // 19:24

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Originally Posted by Mordiego

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But aNet should implement a bot that surfs the sites of the gold-selling companies, purchase gold, then ban the accounts trading it. BAH!

There are massive people who does this bot farming and ANET would really have to spend a loooooooot of $$$ to even get half banned. And even so, those people running the bots could care less because they've made their $$$..

com'on, $20 for like 300k gold.. There are probably XXXX running and paying $20 x XXXXX = XXXXX $$$ for the botters. It's a win win for them and i don't think ANET is willing to spend that kind of $$$. If ANET ever did this, I bet most, if not all, of us would be tempted to program our own bots and this will only add fuel to the fire..

tlee · Jan 30, 2010, 07:34 PM // 19:34

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Originally Posted by karlik

People are gonna buy gold, and that means people are gonna sell it.

I still say the best solution is make it legal and anet just sells gold for less than any rmt could afford.

seriously, if ANET (only ANET though) does open an actual store to sell gold and maybe items? and even at higher prices, they would be making lots of $$$$. Probably more successful than selling storage pane panels. Who the hell wanna spend $10 per.. crazy? LOL!

BUT, on the other hand, doing this could cause some problems since not everyone can afford to use real $$$ to buy virtual stuff...

Perkunas · Jan 30, 2010, 09:25 PM // 21:25

ANet could place a notice in the logon screen:

XXXX gold sellers/buyers banned last week.

Phaern Majes · Jan 31, 2010, 12:40 AM // 00:40

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Originally Posted by TheAmaizingDave

First post in nearly 3 years =D

Basically, there should be some international law set. Only the crooks profit from all this gold selling. It ruins in game econamy, spoils it for alot of people getting their accounts hacked. It can't be good for those chinease kids so far as learning morals go and education if they are on the net all day etc. I don't understand the farce, all they need to do is get them on selling virtual goods / not a physical property.

An international law wouldn't stop anything. The countries that dominate the gold selling market for online games, aren't going to give it up even if the UN did come to a consensus that it was bad (and I'm sure gold sellers and their effect on online gaming is at the top of their list to solve /sarcasm).

The only way to enforce an international law is by refusing trade/aid for countries that break the law. And nobody is ever going to place those kinds of restrictions on a country simply because they allow gold selling. If the international community had a real issue with child labor they would of taken action against countries that allow sweatshop labor, long before the internet and MMO's.

Its also worth noting that to most people, i.e. non-gamers, this probably isn't viewed as immoral. From a real life aspect its just a way to pay the bills and feed the kids for most people doing it. And really it may be annoying but it doesn't stop the game from being fun (if it did nobody would continue to play). No, the burden is always going to be on the game's developers to shut down gold sellers.

Zahr Dalsk · Jan 31, 2010, 01:06 AM // 01:06

Most people have run through a lot more than 500k (rather, a few million) in the course of their time playing Guild Wars, it's just that most people don't save it - we buy armour and such instead.

Also, in terms of time spent compared to money gained, if you have a job then gold buying is the way to go.

MithranArkanere · Jan 31, 2010, 01:28 AM // 01:28

If they made themselves a gold selling site, then there would be doubts about that gold selling site being 'legit'.
It won't be a third party.

It would make no sense, and bring more trouble than good.

Amy Awien · Jan 31, 2010, 02:08 AM // 02:08

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Originally Posted by tlee

ANET should set up a bogus website advertising to sell GW gold and when players buy it and once delivered, BANNED!

If ANet would be selling gold, how would it be against the EULA when players bought gold from them?

coil · Jan 31, 2010, 02:57 AM // 02:57

what if they just....sold gold in their store !!!!

no more RMT no more accnt hacking omg win!

Copenhagen Master · Jan 31, 2010, 04:16 AM // 04:16

Just don't buy worthless crap, Pick everything up and sell it to the merchant. It easy to maintain gold in GW. You find out later that the problem is what to do with all your gold, once you get maxed 1mil

Jensy · Jan 31, 2010, 04:20 AM // 04:20

Yeah, this thread has run its course.